I listen to the old stuff (patsy cline, Hank Williams) but I love the new stuff (Martina, Toby Keith, Kenny Chesney). I've seen Hank Jr, Kenny Chesney, Toby Keith in concert and they all put on great shows. I know people who are jealous of the fact that I went to a Led Zepplin Concert (MANY years ago) but I prefer kenny chesney over zepplin ANY DAy!!!
I really am sorry that you believe current music is destroying older music -- I don't think it's a belief that is supported by either history or the current music scene, but I understand that once something reaches the level of a "belief" it is very hard to change that.
I hope all you haters leave when these so called POP musicians play... so us lovers of "music" can enjoy.. less of u haters around will make for a GREAT time.!!
I think some People just love to complain.
You get out of life what you put into it! Real mature statement, which only leads the rest of us to believe that anything you say really has little or no value. You had just started to gain some understanding with your more mature post and then ooops you had to go and post that. Unfortunately I guess your not ready for a good ol adult debate yet. So the rest of us will just keep on supporting whatever music it is that we love.
I Believe Happiness Is Something We Create!
WHO CARES WHAT HIS ORIENTATION IS!!!! HIM AND CLAY AIKEN SHOULD JUST GET IT OVER WITH!!! WHO CARES!!!! IT'S NOT LIKE HE IS A PEDOPHILE, WIFE BEATER ECT!!!! WHO FLIPPIN CARES!!!! THEY SAY THAT ABOUT MY JOHN TRAVLOLTA TOO AND I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT!!!!! IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!
While I don't think the response "Just go die" is going to solve anything I do agree with some of the feelings of disappointment in country music today.
If I had to have a rational discussion about it (not that that seems to happen much around here) I would say that the thing that I don't care for about the new more pop stuff is that it has gone soft. It's kind of the same thing that punk rock was the answer to in the 70s. Punk Rock was only able to succeed because most mainstream rock had turned into musical masturnation with 20 minute long solos, huge stage props, and gross touchy feely inner child loving songs. Rock is supposed to be dangerous if it is done right.
Country is supposed to be the same thing. If it's done right it should be at least a little grimey and scary. Traditionally, It is the salt of the earth kind of music that should appeal to the demon in all of us as well as the angel. That moral conflict is what (to me) makes the best authentic country music, regardless of when it was recorded.
Old school Honky-Tonks were real rough and tumble places. Read any of the biographies of the great ones and you'll see how it was. Now country music bars feel more like Disneyland than a Honky-Tonk. Where it once was gritty and exciting it is now sterile and flaccid.
Things always change, no one is debating that fact. And, given the corporate sponsorship of just about everything we see and hear today, it's going to get a lot softer before the "alt/insurgent/punktry whatever it is called now" scene will start to be recognized on a larger scale as a reasonable alternative to the corporate country being churned out on the radio and CMT. To be honest, there is a part of me that is rooting for songs about being a soccer mom and Jesus taking the wheel. The farther they go, the stronger more traditionally spirited country music will be when it comes back around again.
It happened with Hank Sr. (Got kicked out of the Opry for his lifestyle so he wouldn't offend the mainstrean audience). It happened with the Outlaws (at first they were blocked from radio play all over the country for hanging out with dirty hippies), and it will happen again. It's good for everyone in the long run. If country music hadn't been too soft prior to the Outlaw movement, we may never have had anything like the Willie & Waylon album or a myriad of different artists that existed solely as a response to the soft-country that preceeded it.
Personally I can't say that most of what I hear on the radio is country music. It is pop. And while they are usually really good pop songs, it hurts a little bit to hear it called country. I know it is something I need to get over but the reason it hurts is because I am a country musician. And every time a song like "Drugs or Jesus" comes out it makes it more and more embarassing to say what I am.
As no one tends to respond to a post around here unless it is either gushing about a band or completely out of line I don't expect too much of a response. But I did hope that I could explain what a lot of this hostility is about in a way that might make sense.
Also, I would like to apologize for anything I may have said that has fired this debate to the point it is at now. I like to make jokes about Sugarland being like a poor man's Fleetwood Mac and stuff like that but it is all in good fun.
On a lighter note, have you heard the new Verison of "Jesus take the wheel"?
Jesus take the wheel
I'm far too drunk to drive
cause if I stay behind this wheel
somebody's gonna die tonight.
Lord I need to puke,
would you pull on to the side?
Jesus take the wheel
very good statements wc more than i can put together thats for sure.. as far as my childish statement well sometimes thats just the way i do it, and the fact that this has turned into 3 pages it just goes to show the truth cuts like a knife
I have been trying to point out the irony of choosing an arbitrary point in time (such as the point at which a person began listening to country music) as the "beginning" or "heritage point" of country music, when in fact country had already been growing, morphing and changing substantially by that point. In their day, all or most of the artists on Elduce's list were accused of pretty much the same thing the "current" artists are being accused of. I think the irony of this escapes Elduce, but it is an emotionally charged issue so a little slack is probably in order.
I also think it's a faulty assumption that "the masses" would automatically listen to older-style country if the current crop of country artists did not exist -- thus, I can't see holding the current artists or their fans responsible for the state of older music or its fans.
I still completely disagree that New Country is anywhere close to Pop. Find me any Pop song that is anywhere close to a New Country song and you just might make me believe. I do not like Pop music and haven't since I was a teenager. Again, there are HUGE differences between Pop and New Country. The first New Country songs I heard were from Emerson Drive and Diamond Rio. Please tell me you are not calling them "pop artists."
I think some New Country songs have a pop beat or feeling but that doesn't mean that New Country IS Pop.
I don't know what "truth" ELDUCE is referring to, certainly not his/her beliefs.
Also, I don't get what is wrong with Christianity in New Country music. I am a Christian and that is just one of the many reasons I like New Country.
Again.. to make it clear.. I'm not saying Chesney has no talent, isn't a good entertainer or isn't an artist . I just don't view him as country. It is pop country in my opinion and not my style.
Funny you say this. A friend of mine who is a musician and was in Nashville not too long ago and he was telling me about a lot of the bars he had gone into and he said what was strange was that in every bar people weren't requesting Rascall Flatts, Chesney or so on for the musicians toplay; they were requesting the old stuff, none of the pop country stuff. He said one girl actually requested some opo country and the whole bar went silent. . Seems like music row would catch on to that or maybe it won't put enough money in their pockets.. who knows.HTML Code:"alt/insurgent/punktry whatever it is called now" scene will start to be recognized on a larger scale as a reasonable alternative to the corporate country being churned out on the radio and CMT
OK, I will give an example if I may. It may not be a very good one but we'll see.
Last night my daughter ate a crescent that I made her with canned chicken (the really good kind from Costco) inside mixed with some other stuff. She told me it was tuna. I knew it was not tuna but it was really hard to convince her it wasn't, to her it tasted like tuna. Obviously it was chicken, which I knew from the can. No, it wasn't a real, whole chicken that came straight from the butcher, but it was chicken.
If New Country was any other kind of music, it would not have it's own name/genre. No one said it was the same as traditional/Old Country.
I can see (or hear... whatever) definite 70's pop inflluences in today's country music. Not so much current pop (although I don't listen to much current pop, so I'm really in no position to say), but the stuff from thirty years ago... yeah, it's not a stretch for me to see that in today's music.
And I don't have a problem with Christianity in country music -- I have a problem with overplaying a song, and overexposing an artist, to the point that I would rather have dead silence than have to hear it one more time... but that's just me...
I completely agree that the song is overplayed. It just seemed like some people were referring to Christianity in country music in general.
To answer Misfit's question, I do not listen to any pop music because I don't like it. Also, most of the Pop artists really irritate me. I quit listening to it after high school because it just didn't appeal to me anymore. Occasionally I hear some of it on commercials, etc and I just really don't like it and don't see how anyone could compare New Country to it.
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Last spring, I heard Craig Morgan saying one of his songs was the most played song on country radio in 2005, and he said it like it was a GOOD thing... and I thought, "Really? I don't think I'd want my song to be at the head of that list... because that probably means it annoyed the heck out of at least half the listening audience...!"