I'm Out

[unclefeiny]

Have fun this year gang. After going the past 5 years, I'm not allowed to camp this year, so I will be spending my money elsewhere. Between no tent camping and no RV rentals, it's pretty much impossible for the average person, especially someone living in LA where everything is so expensive, to go camping which is where most of the fun is in my opinion.

I'm not bitter like I'm sure a lot of people will be. I'm grateful for all the fun times I've had at Stagecoach, but I guess it's time for me to move on. Maybe I'll give Country Thunder in Arizona a try in 2014 since they're already sold out for camping in 2013.

[keebzie]

I just want to know the real reason they did away with camping and rentals. Someone please tell us fans! We're so sad : ( It's won't be the same without you Adam!

[annie]

my group is out too
with no rental RVs
and the general admission price raised....

I think they are trying to hard to ride on the coat tails of last year's success.. truth is, they are digging themselves into hole
the line up can't compete with last year and i bet a lot of people will opt out this year

[JillOC]

Yeah, i'm part of ^^ annie's group. I don't know what Goldenvoice was thinking...I'm not bitter either just really sad that they have allowed greed or whatever take over what used to be an amazing festival. I have a feeling more than a few people will complain directly to them and maybe they will realize they made a huge mistake...

[Allonarae]

YEP, we are a group of 12 that have gone every year since it started. Not this year. Had an RV reserved to rent because the camping was miserable last year and now find out we cant bring a rental AND they jacked the price up and are limiting the number of people in the RV site. Bummer. Will be saving the money to see the groups individually I guess. Always a country Fan, No longer a Stagecoach fan.

[melaine]

What a weak lineup compared to the ones for the past 3 years. I'm a big price ticket regular customer from the past who also says "So long' ". And that goes for a group of 8. The show just isn't good enough. It's sad.

One caveat....the scalpers will be stuck with tickets they can't resell and if they try to resell Rv spots, it won't work because the pass has to be used by the person who registered.

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[deegee83]

I was never in. Too expensive for me, with no job for over a year. Last year I was really sad. This year, if you're not going, I won't be as sad. :cool:

[Joey805]

What a joke! I can't believe how greedy they have gotten over the years. No tent camping, no RV rentals, increased prices, so-so lineup...

[unclefeiny]

The camping bombshell has taken everyone's attention away from the fact that GA tickets have doubled in price this year.

[UKNOWME8]

soooo basically for me my wife and our RV its going to cost me $1500 when it use to cost me $500. we really wanted to come back this year as the baby will be old enough to stay at Gmas house but $1500 really? it only cost me $2000 to travel the country for a month with both my kids wife and trailer. tha included food and activity $$$ this is crazy im sorry but im out.

[deegee83]

I am sorry to hear Jacob, Feiny, and all my PEEPS are sidelined because of the new No Camping and the "Private RV or Die" policies. It sucks. I better sign off, now that I've posted about all that I can without being banned.

Hopefully soon the RV policy will be relaxed to allow non-owners to participate.

Later everyone.

[ratty2146]

The camping bombshell has taken everyone's attention away from the fact that GA tickets have doubled in price this year.

Most of us paid around $239 or more last yr so that isn't the biggest concern. Plus $239 is all inclusive; fees, shipping etc.

[Chevgirl357]

I'm out too. I'm not bitter, but I am disappointed. It's funny, my boyfriend was just saying last night that he wants to rent an RV this year for SC. Well since that's not possible and with the prices this year, I think our group of 20+ is gonna do Country Thunder instead. We'll miss you Stagecoach!

[webwevers101]

Yes, the $230 price for tickets is about what it was last year with all the fees. But no camping and no rentals means No to Stagecoach this year! I will spend my money elsewhere!

[UKNOWME8]

if you all suport http://wagonwheelforums.com it will cowe back!

[keebzie]

I'm bitter as hell. They're ruining what was an amazing experience for country fans. Their new management needs to get fired!

[murraykris]

I am in. Don't like the no visitors allowed in the camp ground rule. But they tried that last year and it fell thru. Be creative on the RV registration rules. Do you own a scanner and a printer? For people who sneak forty cases of beer in a Honda Civic in the tent camping area I am surprised with your lack of creativity. LOL It's STAGECOACH! Are you really gonna miss it?

[Mytommy]

This is crazy.....I think they will see how many fans they lost when the RV application deadline get here!....hopefully then they will change the rules!!!

[keebzie]

It's STAGECOACH! Are you really gonna miss it?

Yes! It's the only way they'll realize what a a mistake they made. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it but... why spend my money on an event that is so poorly put together. It's not the same stagecoach.

[krupple38]

Our large group won't be going to Stagecoach in 2013, instead we're thinking about Nashville's CMT Music Festival.

[steveone]

if you have facebook. go like this page http://www.facebook.com/Stagecoach2013WeWantOurFestivalBack (http://www.facebook.com/Stageoach2O13WeWantucampBack)

[unclefeiny]

For people who sneak forty cases of beer in a Honda Civic in the tent camping area I am surprised with your lack of creativity. LOL It's STAGECOACH! Are you really gonna miss it?

To keep being creative to get around the ridiculous rules made each year just supports what they are doing to us. I will take my creative money to Country Thunder in Arizona, but I do sincerely hope that everyone who goes to Stagecoach has a good time, I've had some great memories there (and pictures and stories of things I don't remember).

[frenchie]

To keep being creative to get around the ridiculous rules made each year just supports what they are doing to us. I will take my creative money to Country Thunder in Arizona, but I do sincerely hope that everyone who goes to Stagecoach has a good time, I've had some great memories there (and pictures and stories of things I don't remember).

You know you'll be missed Adam! Especially the super short jorts ;) The festival is changing & evolving. They make big changes each year and work to fix issues and accomodate as many as they can. We'll see if anything changes but if not, those who go will have fun & those who choose to go to another event will have fun too.

[WLW]

I am in. Don't like the no visitors allowed in the camp ground rule. But they tried that last year and it fell thru. Be creative on the RV registration rules. Do you own a scanner and a printer? For people who sneak forty cases of beer in a Honda Civic in the tent camping area I am surprised with your lack of creativity. LOL It's STAGECOACH! Are you really gonna miss it?

X2.......

[cmsandiego]

Yep, our group of 20+ has been going for 5 years in a row and we're not going this year. The jacked up cost for RV spots and not allowing tents on the site is ridiculous. Looks like we're heading to Vegas April 7 for the ACMA's.

[allboutseattle]

TOBY TOBY TOBY TOBY

[SPKemo]

After all these years, I am out!! We will be house boating the same weekend at Lake Powell now. All these rules have made is impossible for our entire group of around 30 to go. Sayonara SC, it was a good run.

[Kateastrofee]

Unclefieny. country Thunder released additional camping today after they received an influx of calls because of pissed off stagecoachers. Call them! You can get a 4 day 19X40 site for $179!!!

[AmandaB]

Have fun this year gang. After going the past 5 years, I'm not allowed to camp this year, so I will be spending my money elsewhere. Between no tent camping and no RV rentals, it's pretty much impossible for the average person, especially someone living in LA where everything is so expensive, to go camping which is where most of the fun is in my opinion.

I'm not bitter like I'm sure a lot of people will be. I'm grateful for all the fun times I've had at Stagecoach, but I guess it's time for me to move on. Maybe I'll give Country Thunder in Arizona a try in 2014 since they're already sold out for camping in 2013.

We deff will be out this year! Lame ass lineup. and the whole camping situation is ridiculous! No rentals!! Bullshit!

[caligirlUCR]

Unclefieny. country Thunder released additional camping today after they received an influx of calls because of pissed off stagecoachers. Call them! You can get a 4 day 19X40 site for $179!!!

Now that is a great deal!!!! hmmmmm

[LannyMc]

I'm not bitter just so very disappointed. This was my yearly "camping" trip with my kids and their friends. Every year we have such a blast. The line up is good for two days, but weak for three. I'm going to spend my money at a beach house in the summer instead and just play my music loud! See Ya, Stagecoach. It was a good run while it lasted. For those going, I hope y'all have a great time.

[Country Gypsy]

[QUOTE=LannyMc;97180]I'm not bitter just so very disappointed. . .[/QUOTE;

Yea, my husband and I too. With all the campsites having electricity, and no break on ADA... we just can't afford the extra on such short notice. Having been forced to take an early retirement because of the economy, we saved just enough for our annual treat.

All the past years we used to read through the forum to see if people missed out on a site and offer them a spot on our rv site in one of our tents or their own. We would take them or their gear, cook some of their meals, let them use aux batteries for hair dryers and phone chargers. And we sure made some great friends. We were never that crowded and always respectful of our neighbors who would often join us for the margarita and taquito bar in an early afternoon waiting for the concert. Such easy and good times.

But also, I as an ex journalist and child of the 60's... the application you have to fill out strikes a wrong chord with me. A sense of expected anonimity and privacy is missing in the pre selection process.

I am uncomfortable handing out my driver's license and insurance info before I am selected. And even though I am not a felon, nor have ever been, nor as far as I am aware, are any my friends, it just hit as beyond the pale that you are to post this information. I also do not understand the need to fill out a 1000 word or less essay as to why my application for an RV spot be considered..:confused:

... Ahh but then in a political year I am one that does not believe in more government, nor an intrusive one.

So, a new era enters..and I am afraid this time I shall view vicariously ...enjoying from the sidelines, through your posts on the forum. We will miss ya 'all !!

[WLW]

Unclefieny. country Thunder released additional camping today after they received an influx of calls because of pissed off stagecoachers. Call them! You can get a 4 day 19X40 site for $179!!!

Lets see. $179.00 and $800.00 in fuel, and two more travel days. Stagecoach still looks like and ok deal. JMO?

[unclefeiny]

Lets see. $179.00 and $800.00 in fuel, and two more travel days. Stagecoach still looks like and ok deal. JMO?

$800 in fuel? Where do you think Country Thunder is? I have a Prius, it will cost like $100-$150 round trip, but I'm thinking about flying, $140 roundtrip!

[WLW]

$800 in fuel? Where do you think Country Thunder is? I have a Prius, it will cost like $100-$150 round trip, but I'm thinking about flying, $140 roundtrip!

400 plus miles each way. 800 plus total miles in RV at 5 MPG equals 160 gallons of fuel at 5.00 per gallon.......$800.00

[HamsHog]

We were looking forward to Stagecoach this year. $1500.00 for 3 days don't work.. Adios Stagecoach. You've priced your show beyond rediculous. We're out!!

[unclefeiny]

400 plus miles each way. 800 plus total miles in RV at 5 MPG equals 160 gallons of fuel at 5.00 per gallon.......$800.00

I think the problem people have is with not being able to camp unless they own an RV, so if you've got yourself one, I definitely think you should go to Stagecoach. Like I said previously, I'm not one of the bitter people that wants to boycott. I'd go if I could afford to buy an RV, but paying $40,000 for culinary school kinda puts a hurting on my savings at the moment.

I think it's funny how mad some people are getting. Goldenvoice is a business, they need to do what they feel is best for the company and I'm not going to pretend to know reasons for things that they're doing, but I'm sure they have their reasons which I respect, wish them the best of luck, and thank them for all the good times in the past.

I don't feel bad for anyone here except for countrygurl who has to deal with all the fall out here. We still love ya, countrygurl!

[Countrygurl]

thanks uncle. <3

[WLW]

This is what I wrote on The Corral:

"I think everyone needs to sit back and relax. Think about it. The two weeks prior, is Coachella with all the camping and infistructure, (showers, food, shuttles, roads, etc.) all in place. It makes no sense to put this all in place just to take it down for Stagecoach. I find it hard to believe that they will sell out all the acreage at the ED1 price. As you see they are calling it RV resort.

I believe this is a presale, so to speak. They will come through with the other options down the road. The best one can do is sit back and wait as they still need 55 or 60 thousand people to fill the venue. Their isn't that many country music fans in that valley to sell out the event or enough motels for non campers."

The way it structured, I believe there will be other offerings after this application process is done. My 2 cents.

[Chevgirl357]

$800 in fuel?? 2 travel days? It's a 5 hour drive, and I can do that on $70 each way (how do you come up with $400 in gas each way???). 4 people per car and that is CHEAP. $99 for FOUR days of music, and only $121 for 4 nights in a hotel. Yeah, I think I'm good.

[Chevgirl357]

I think the problem people have is with not being able to camp unless they own an RV, so if you've got yourself one, I definitely think you should go to Stagecoach. Like I said previously, I'm not one of the bitter people that wants to boycott. I'd go if I could afford to buy an RV, but paying $40,000 for culinary school kinda puts a hurting on my savings at the moment.

I think it's funny how mad some people are getting. Goldenvoice is a business, they need to do what they feel is best for the company and I'm not going to pretend to know reasons for things that they're doing, but I'm sure they have their reasons which I respect, wish them the best of luck, and thank them for all the good times in the past.

I don't feel bad for anyone here except for countrygurl who has to deal with all the fall out here. We still love ya, countrygurl!

I didn't consider this Adam, good call. I guess if we had an RV things MIGHT be different. I *personally* think it was a bad decision to limit WHO can come to a festival. I mean, everyone can GO, but where do they all stay when only a small portion live in the area? The hotels jack up their prices and sell out FAST. I'll miss Stagecoach, it's where I met some of the most amazing people in my life! But I can't get on board with the changes.

[WLW]

$800 in fuel?? 2 travel days? It's a 5 hour drive, and I can do that on $70 each way (how do you come up with $400 in gas each way???). 4 people per car and that is CHEAP. $99 for FOUR days of music, and only $121 for 4 nights in a hotel. Yeah, I think I'm good.

Look at the math on one of my past posts.

[frenchie]

My mom and I considered going to County Thunder in Arizona a number of years ago... it's approx. 7 hours from my house, which is further then most of the group considering that show. So, the drive is going to be a bit longer. My only hesitation would be that the line-up hasn't been announced yet. And the Wisconsin show usually gets a better line-up IMO. It will be interesting to see what people think of it though. We've definitely looked into it previously, priced it out, considered the line-up, camping, etc. and decided against it.

[itzshorty3]

Yeah I just priced out Country Thunder and it is less but not much. There's more of a hassle too so I guess depends if it is worth it. I wish they would announce it soon!

[Christine517]

Lets see. $179.00 and $800.00 in fuel, and two more travel days. Stagecoach still looks like and ok deal. JMO?

Yea but i would rather give my $1000 to anyone BUT GV! Plus country folk will make a party out of those extra days of travel. It's the principle of it!!

[angiemarie123]

Chev-
I agree it is very sad. I am bummed because we JUST sold our big toyhauler because the kids stopped motorcycle racing and I was taking my time deciding what type of trailer to buy. I had a RENTAL lined up from my government base rental, but now that won't work. We only take 4-6 pp usually anyway and we were only taking Curtis and I this year in a rental. I am not so bothered by the price, but now with the rental policy we CAN'T camp now. Who is going to make all the lemon drops, lol? I have been the HUGEST Stagecoach fan, from the very first day this message board came about; even writing the magazine article the 2nd year for my friends magazine raving about it and getting the word out there when they weren't selling out of camping and tickets, more than half the ED1 lot was EMPTY, some of remember those years. I am so disappointed in GV this year. :((( we are definitely planning Country Thunder with EVERYONE that we have talked into SC, despite the rising costs. IF camping wasn't already sold out for them for this year we would be going there. SO 2014, we are moving the party up a few weeks and getting a caravan going to Arizona.... YEEHAW..
I'm out too. I'm not bitter, but I am disappointed. It's funny, my boyfriend was just saying last night that he wants to rent an RV this year for SC. Well since that's not possible and with the prices this year, I think our group of 20+ is gonna do Country Thunder instead. We'll miss you Stagecoach!

[1countryfan4life]

I'm out too. For one thing, I can't afford it...I need to get about $3-$4K worth of orthodontic work done on my teeth and my teeth health are more important than going to Stagecoach. And for another thing, I just won't do it based on principle. It's not right that they took away on-site tent camping, and are making you a). buy an RV so you can camp there, and b). making you write a freaking ESSAY on why you should be allowed to camp onsite in your RV!!!

[gaypalmsprings]

What's the point of announcing to the world that you are not going? I don't get it.

[Tech1000]

What's the point of announcing to the world that you are not going? I don't get it." I'm with you on that one. I think people like to whine in the hopes that the festival will cater their way. Remember earlier in the year when Indio was going to tax the festival and so Goldenvoice said they were going to leave? Well does anybody think that maybe the festival talked the city into letting them stay if they cut back on allowable spaces so that people will have to rent rooms and eat in the town. Makes sense. I don't camp at the festival anyway and a lof of the people who did, just went to hang out and not even go to the festival. I think it's a good idea to make the camping limited and more expensive. The best time I had at the festival was when there were less people acting like fools. Everybody remember, it's a music festival NOT a circus.

[SPKemo]

What's the point of announcing to the world that you are not going? I don't get it.

The point is to let them know that we are not going!! What is the point of doing any sort of protest? To invoke change. If SC sells out then it doesn't matter what we do on here. If it doesn't, then now they have the reasons why it failed and what they can do to remedy the situation.



" Everybody remember, it's a music festival NOT a circus.

Yes it is a music festival, but, the city can not accommodate everyone to attend the festival with out on-site camping. People do not want to commute daily to Indio. People want to be able to exit the festival and walk about 5 min - however long with in the campground back to their spot and relax. Not wait in a 2 hour taxi line to get back to a hotel that is 30 min away. This festival will not sell out, and, will be considered by AEG to be a failure. How bad it fails could determine if AEG even brings it back next year. We will just have to wait and see.

[unclefeiny]

The thing that I find silly in all the recent articles by the Stagecoach promoters is that they're saying the whole change in camping is to get back to the music and discourage all the rowdiness. If it's all about the music now, why do you have to pay at least $800 to get a ticket that allows you to be close enough to actually see the performers on the Mane Stage?

[arobb5]

Hey Everybody,

I have been a LOYAL Stagecoach attendant for the last 5 of the 6 years. Last year my husband and i started off our new life together and our honeymoon at stagecoach! We were looking forward to spending our 1 year anniversary at the festival this year but with all the new rule changes we will not be attending. :o(

I was told my a coworker that the president of the festival or somebody along those lines has responded to some remarks on a board somewhere but i cant seem to find it. Has anybody read it or know where i could find it. Apparently he was pretty rude in his response. Like i said i havent read it yet so i dont know exactly what it says.

[robertdv]

I think the problem people have is with not being able to camp unless they own an RV, so if you've got yourself one, I definitely think you should go to Stagecoach. Like I said previously, I'm not one of the bitter people that wants to boycott. I'd go if I could afford to buy an RV, but paying $40,000 for culinary school kinda puts a hurting on my savings at the moment.

I think it's funny how mad some people are getting. Goldenvoice is a business, they need to do what they feel is best for the company and I'm not going to pretend to know reasons for things that they're doing, but I'm sure they have their reasons which I respect, wish them the best of luck, and thank them for all the good times in the past.

I don't feel bad for anyone here except for countrygurl who has to deal with all the fall out here. We still love ya, countrygurl!

Well said, Uncle.

[robertdv]

Hey Everybody,

I have been a LOYAL Stagecoach attendant for the last 5 of the 6 years. Last year my husband and i started off our new life together and our honeymoon at stagecoach! We were looking forward to spending our 1 year anniversary at the festival this year but with all the new rule changes we will not be attending. :o(

I was told my a coworker that the president of the festival or somebody along those lines has responded to some remarks on a board somewhere but i cant seem to find it. Has anybody read it or know where i could find it. Apparently he was pretty rude in his response. Like i said i havent read it yet so i dont know exactly what it says.

Read this carefully, with the understanding that Goldenvoice is a business trying to make money. These types of decisions are NOT off the cuff, but well thought out and planned. Just because we don't like the changes doesn't mean there aren't reasons to make them.


http://blog.pe.com/audio-file/2012/10/10/stagecoach-2013-festival-organizer-talks-about-camping-rules/

read this article. Paul Tollett, head Goldenvoice, said this: the camping rules for 2013 will NOT be changed for this year.

[arobb5]

Yes I understand that but what makes me upset is that fact that I can't even use my parents/in-laws trailer to go and camp because i am not on the registration. Thats the part that I dont understand. Our last names are the same and it is registered to my previous address but yet since the RV itself is not in my name they will not allow me to participate in camping. Im sure there is a majority of the camper who are in the same boat as I am.

I know there is reasoning behind this rules and regulations but for those of us who have gone, enjoyed our time and stayed out of trouble we feel like we are getting the raw end of the deal. I have other things in my life to spend $10,000 on rather then buying an RV and registering it in my name when there is one I can use whenever I need (including the past 4 years at stagecoach).

[Countrycamper]

Country Thunder has opened more camping. This was posted on their facebook page today. We go to both Stagecoach and CT - different experiences but both great.

Hey Arizona Country Thunder fans! SPECIAL CAMPING ANNOUNCEMENT - We will be opening up Canyon Camping sites for purchase tomorrow, Friday October 12th at 10:00am CST. Sites will be $150 + fees/taxes and are limited, so don't delay! Visit http://arizona.countrythunder.com/ tomorrow and purchase your site for the 2013 festival!

[arobb5]

Country Thunder has opened more camping. This was posted on their facebook page today. We go to both Stagecoach and CT - different experiences but both great.

Hey Arizona Country Thunder fans! SPECIAL CAMPING ANNOUNCEMENT - We will be opening up Canyon Camping sites for purchase tomorrow, Friday October 12th at 10:00am CST. Sites will be $150 + fees/taxes and are limited, so don't delay! Visit http://arizona.countrythunder.com/ tomorrow and purchase your site for the 2013 festival!


Thank you for the updated info CountryCamper! Im gonna look into that today!

[greg-andrea]

We are out as well, just too expensive and they are making it seem like it is a luxury to be able to camp there with the lottery system. Country Thunder just opened up another area for camping but only 75 spots left as of 10 minutes ago. The spots are $150 for an RV spot and $99 for general admission for 4 days. I purchased 2 spots so we can have some room and 3 tickets and I still have $145 to put into the truck for gas until I will be even for what I would have to pay if I am chosen, for a 30 amp RV spot at stagecoach. I wish I was going to Indio but hello Florence, AZ here we come!!!

[Raquellita]

We are out as well, just too expensive and they are making it seem like it is a luxury to be able to camp there with the lottery system. Country Thunder just opened up another area for camping but only 75 spots left as of 10 minutes ago. The spots are $150 for an RV spot and $99 for general admission for 4 days. I purchased 2 spots so we can have some room and 3 tickets and I still have $145 to put into the truck for gas until I will be even for what I would have to pay if I am chosen, for a 30 amp RV spot at stagecoach. I wish I was going to Indio but hello Florence, AZ here we come!!!
We will be there too! Looks like we're going to see a bunch of familiar faces after all! Only in another state!

[Chevgirl357]

Chev-
I agree it is very sad. I am bummed because we JUST sold our big toyhauler because the kids stopped motorcycle racing and I was taking my time deciding what type of trailer to buy. I had a RENTAL lined up from my government base rental, but now that won't work. We only take 4-6 pp usually anyway and we were only taking Curtis and I this year in a rental. I am not so bothered by the price, but now with the rental policy we CAN'T camp now. Who is going to make all the lemon drops, lol? I have been the HUGEST Stagecoach fan, from the very first day this message board came about; even writing the magazine article the 2nd year for my friends magazine raving about it and getting the word out there when they weren't selling out of camping and tickets, more than half the ED1 lot was EMPTY, some of remember those years. I am so disappointed in GV this year. :((( we are definitely planning Country Thunder with EVERYONE that we have talked into SC, despite the rising costs. IF camping wasn't already sold out for them for this year we would be going there. SO 2014, we are moving the party up a few weeks and getting a caravan going to Arizona.... YEEHAW..

ANGIE!! CT isn't sold out! They put out more for sale this morning, and they've been offering spaces over the past week to anyone who calls in. Call and ask for Leann. She's helped our group. The customer service there is AMAAAAAZING! Come camp with us!!

[deegee83]

$800 in fuel?? 2 travel days? It's a 5 hour drive, and I can do that on $70 each way (how do you come up with $400 in gas each way???). 4 people per car and that is CHEAP. $99 for FOUR days of music, and only $121 for 4 nights in a hotel. Yeah, I think I'm good.

Now THIS I can afford on my piddly unemployment check. :cool:

[I don't care,back in '09]

Country Thunder. Purchased 2 tickets with meals, 50 amp service in big rig lot right next to stage w private entrance. And we can take our dogs. And gas in Arizona is cheaper. Our final cost was the same as 2 P2 tickets to Stagecoach. You can drive in and out with a vehicle also.

[CaliKatie83]

yeah it's really unfortunate, last year was my first year attending Stagecoach and I was excited to go again this year :(

[sandg]

Agree with all being said, except, I think the line up is great this year! But, I love a little twang sometimes. Didn't get a campsite either, but will be able to tag along with friends that did. I have my own RV, but the no rental (or using a friends RV) policy is utter discrimination.

[silvasp]

Yep. We are out too. This thing has gotten amazingly expensive and way too many rules. With all the costs we can expect to pay this year, i think we'll take that money and go to Hawaii instead. (Yes, it's about the same cost for us)

[silvasp]

$800 in fuel is easy to spend pulling a 5th wheel or driving an RV.. When pulling my 5th wheel, I get about 6mpg. Costs me a tank up and a tank back... $110+ in fuel, each way. And I live close. Now, take that into consideration with all the other costs, liquor, food, water, tickets all the way around for the wife and kids. It can get VERY expensive fast. Last year it was about $1500. We are done! I'll take my money and have a vacation instead. Y'all have fun but I can't (won't) do it this year.

[gaypalmsprings]

This thread is useless and should be closed.

[KUZN EDY]

This thread is useless and should be closed.

Why does it bug you so much GPS? The majority of the attendees are put out and are trying to relay the message to the promoters why they cannot attend the festival. The hope is this gets read and change can be made. We all know these threads get read and also know change is made each year.

Besides, is any more useless than a thread about belt buckles?

[angiemarie123]

AMEN - kuznedy. Or is it less useless then all the retarded picture post threads?? It's just a matter of time before GV finds the 1 thing that can possibly irritate even their biggest supporters on here. The proof Is in the pudding as this board was alive and out of control with members online and posts every few seconds the day before tickets went on sale in prior years. At this point the unhappy fans far outweigh the few happy fans. I agree with you that they read and monitor this forum and hopefully they will pay attention unless they truly want to try and just get a new fan base every year or just to keep the fans that don't pay the camping and never have and/or the fans that just buy GA and only spend $243 a year to attend as opposed to those that buy several spots and P1 tickets and spend over $3k at their event every year and come back with more pp every year...
Why does it bug you so much GPS? The majority of the attendees are put out and are trying to relay the message to the promoters why they cannot attend the festival. The hope is this gets read and change can be made. We all know these threads get read and also know change is made each year.

Besides, is any more useless than a thread about belt buckles?

[gaypalmsprings]

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[gaypalmsprings]

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[caligirlUCR]

You know what drives me the most crazy about taking away tent camping/RV rentals - is that last year was the first year there was not a separate wristband for camping - anyone could go into the camping areas. Now they are saying last years camping area/partying was out of control - well maybe if you had actually only let campers in things would have been better. It's like they set it up to be chaotic so that they would have a reason to take it away.

[amshi45]

I agree with CaliGirlUCR.....I also believe that part of the Stagecoach experience was the meeting people (we met tons), seeing all the crazy stuff people wore (especially then men, lol) and the crazy things people did (the See Saw!!!!).
I have been to lots of country concerts and people started "partying" early (meeting people, drinking, playing games etc) for a 7 PM concert, people started showing up at 11 AM.
I believe they took away a lot of the "experience" of Stagecoach, and I read the article regarding GoldenVoice and I think it was wrong for him to compare us to Coachella....Like someone said we don't need to use X or glow sticks to enjoy the music.

Trying to find a place to stay that isn't going to cost me 2 months pay and then getting to and from the festival safely took a lot of the fun out of it. I bought my tickets, will try and go in with a positive attitude and take it from there.....But I hope they SERIOUSLY rethink the no rental RV's and tents next year.

[Country Gypsy]

Dear GPS... You have a wonderful and imaginative sense of humor, so often gallant and so often make me want to know the person behind the typeface....and I assume by your forum name you may possibly live close enough to go to the festival without the added expense of accomodations...

But for those, like myself who aren't as lucky... what may be an annoyance to you to 'announce' our not attending this year's festival is for many, not said on a bitter note, but a nostalgic one and is a callout to those who we cannot contact other than via this forum.

For many of us it is the only way to let those whom in previous years we have met up along the way and carpooled with, arranged potlucks with, ordered teeshirts with, decorated our rigs with - know that this is the year you cannot count on us to be there.

What developed over the years in a shared camaraderie of a festival, becomes a reunion, and although I know the faces and names, I do not know the phone numbers. So I am thankful that I can tell those who may have depended on me to help out or bring things , that our budget and not my heart is not allowing us to go. (ha ha unless they bring back ADA dry camping - heck I love to 'rough it' a little - if you can call sleeping in an RV & not having sewer and electric rough.

When I read you were at the Kenny Rogers stage, last year I scrolled through all my pics to see if I could spot YOU, not Kenny... For whatever reason, you have always reminded me of the hero in a very old silent film called Metropolis... and I finally wanted to see if you matched my perception :confused: .. Maybe next year.

This forum is so different from the Coachella forum. Pretty much everyone here is easy going and friendly and doesn't seem to need to put people down for what they have to say. Much better not to read the thread than get yourself so upset.

Congratulations to all those who were lucky enough to get accepted for camping , and those who got tickets for the festival. Have a wonderful time. I will keep my eyes open for you on the forum.;)

[gaypalmsprings]

So, I take it you are officially announcing that you aren't going either? OK. BTW - I drive to Fontana every NASCAR & INDY Car race, without having to camp. Parking is a long walk. Traffic is slow. You can't bring beer into the raceway. It's a long drive every day, but I keep myself entertained.

[Rose]

useless than a thread about belt buckles? Hey, Hey, Hey now.


anyone could go into the camping areas. I've been visiting the camping areas every year except 07. Hopefully this ole lady has not become the problem. The tent campers have every right to be pissed off. In no way shape or form could the price compare to any hotel or RV resorter.

QUOTE=Country Gypsy;97575]our budget and not my heart is not allowing us to go. (ha ha unless they bring back ADA dry camping[/QUOTE]

That is what is so confusing to me and many others. It's been $250.00 plus fees plus etc to RV camp. So that is like 280 290? That is more than I pay for my hotel room and that is if I stay alone. Didn't have a clue that so many people rented RV's rather than owned (seeing all the complaints).


[B]Dear GPS... You have a wonderful and imaginative sense of humor, so often gallant and so often make me want to know the person behind the typeface I think GPS is super cute. Same thing with KuznEdy. Married or Gay, all the good ones well are...good...but not available.

It has been a really rough couple of weeks. GOD FORBID you posted something positive on Facebook Stagecoach. Attacks are many and it got vicious and still is. It's difficult to see a thread here with the title of "I'M OUT".

[Country Gypsy]

So, I take it you are officially announcing that you aren't going either? OK. BTW - I drive to Fontana every NASCAR & INDY Car race, without having to camp. Parking is a long walk. Traffic is slow. You can't bring beer into the raceway. It's a long drive every day, but I keep myself entertained.

ahhh.. yes but you say you keep "yourself" entertained... So no need to let anyone you meet up with know if you are coming or going. Especially if they are depending on you to bring tables, etc. many of us do this for Stagecoach - so the forum is a perfect place to say sorry not this year.Particularily if you don't have numbers, and arrangements are ongoing year after year.

But on a serious note. We are about a mile from the Speedway.. you are welcome to stop by, have a beer in our very lovely garden, my hubby and I even have an extra room to crash in or a spa to relax in afterwards. And if we aren't out we can drive you to the speedway and drop you off. I can PM you our phone number should you wish to take us up on the offer:)

[Countrycamper]

CG - I will miss the postings of all the folks that won't be going.... we sure had fun meeting you and everyone else at Kuzn Edy's meat n greet. Really is sad that this probably won't be happening in 2013....

[gaypalmsprings]

Oh, the people that won't be going will still post. This thread is proof.

[Countrycamper]

we'll see.

[Countrygurl]

i for one hope everyone will some day come back. It's still the same since 2007. days of awesome country music. that part, the most important part, is still unchanged.

meet u at zac brown band!

[Cadillac Queen]

Hey Countrygurl,

The problem is "everyone" can't come back because a large majority of them are in their twenties and can't afford the added expense of a hotel / shuttle / purchasing food from restaurants & vendors as well as all the other expenses that are associated with not being able to camp. Our group mainly consists of parents in their fifties with our kids & their friends who are mostly in their twenties (all of them very well behaved and respectful of the other campers). Unfortunately, for the most part, they're all either in college or recent graduates that work hard just to buy the ticket to the event. Up until now they were able to stay with us for nothing and we would give them a spot to sleep and feed them. One of them (a youth pastor) even managed to borrow a motorhome last year and brought his own group of young adults with him. Now, with the new rules, a lot of them are unable to attend because of the added expenses of staying off site :/

My personal feelings are that the person that ORIGINALLY PURCHASED the camping pass should be required to be in the RV and, of course, have a festival ticket. It shouldn't matter if they own the RV, but they should be held accountable for any guests they have staying with them. Also, not everyone's motorhomes are the giant luxurious type with popouts (ours included) and even having six people stuffed in it to sleep can be somewhat crowded, why are there no tents allowed? How about more of a limit of about ten people per site with one or two tents allowed? We've always managed to stay within our boundaries and be respectful of our neighbors with this size group in each of our campsites.

I appreciate that things were getting out of control and something needed to be done to stop the scalping and some of the out of control campers but it seems that the new rules are too extreme. Please reconsider before it's too late as I know we have a lot of very disappointed people in our group that won't be able to attend this year and, from the sounds of it, we're not the only ones.

THANKS FOR LISTENING.

[Cooter]

Thought this was a thread for all the closeted homosexuals to finally shout out loud and proud.

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[Country Gypsy]

CG - I will miss the postings of all the folks that won't be going.... we sure had fun meeting you and everyone else at Kuzn Edy's meat n greet. Really is sad that this probably won't be happening in 2013....

It WAS GREAT at Kuzn Edys.. still so amazing that so many from all walks of life and interests, and all ages come together at such a party and have a truly enjoyable time with no harm no foul. We enjoyed ourselves with you as well. Good laughs.

I am sure Stagecoach will still provide a wonderful concert.. but without the affordable camping it is like having a great recipe but forgetting to add the salt and pepper, so much of the flavor is lost. I am sure everyone who gets to go will still come back with super memories. :D

[captain obvious]

There are several thousand people in their 20s that attend multiple day music festivals with the same types of expenses that don't camp on site at the festivals. I wonder how they do it. They should share their stories here! Then everyone can come back and enjoy. H E DOUBLE TOOTHPICKS YES

[Sandy D. R.]

I understand them trying to make things safer, but I disagree with giving people who camp, priority over other people in the coming years priority on tickets. Many of the people who camp buy general admission tickets.
So you pay $900 to camp and buy 5 general admission tickets-- that's $1200. I bought 5 P2 tickets and paid
$4000--who should get priority??? If you want to give priority--how about anyone who buys P1 or P2 should get priority???

[deegee83]

i for one hope everyone will some day come back. It's still the same since 2007. days of awesome country music. that part, the most important part, is still unchanged.

meet u at zac brown band!

It is a great festival but I feel I have to respond to this statement...

The point that is being missed here is the money issue, for me and a lot of others!!!

This economy has killed my budget. I'm not the only one in the Southern California area who lost their job, is underemployed, and can't get back to full time work...there are a lot of us.

At the same time that the economy has taken a major dive since this Festival begain in 2007, leading many people to living under reduced circumstances, this festival has, every year, RAISED its ticket prices (+dramatically for VIP) since 2007.

This year, even with the economy still in anemic mode, the owners decide to dramatically raise the costs for RV camping.

I'd love to go this time. No doubt. BUT for the second year in a row, it's out of my underemployed budget. Sorry Countrygurl.

Why is the point not getting through to Goldenvoice---It's the economy!!!

[Countrygurl]

i personally think its a bummer if people can't go... now that its been 6 years and has grown to 3 days long being more expensive. :(